place to live.
In this episode, Julia brings us deep into the concept of flow- what it is, when does it happen, how to achieve it, and how to integrate it into our life so we can release all the burnout and anxiety. She also inspires us to stretch our capacity as far as we can. There’s no time limit to the possibilities we can have and flow is the path to get us empowered.
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What if the rivers and oceans were in fact, tears from the eyes of our mother Earth, will humans hear its cry at last? Climate change is a dilemma that speaks to a broader theme of grappling for survival, not only of humans but all life forms. Some argue that climate change is a natural phenomena and should not really become a cause for concern. However, the issue before us is something unnatural. Apparently, human activities contribute tremendously to the catastrophic events born from this specific point in question. Opposing philosophical views put this controversy in top news, but the problem still remains. We should stop minimizing and ignoring what’s before our eyes and act fast before it’s too late.
Trace Lane works around environmental awareness. She is the Director and Founder of Surf Sisters for Science, a platform that gives a voice to the untold stories of climate impact. Trace uses her research and writership to link science and the community. She’s also making authentic connections through the stories shared by many individuals from different parts of the world. For Trace, surfing is her way of reconnecting to the ocean. The waters are to her, more than a lovely sight; it is her home. For this reason, it is her burning desire to create awareness that climate change is real.
Today, Trace gets to paint climate change in real pictures. Scientific researches and anecdotal evidences serve as reliable witnesses to the existence of climate change. Surf Sisters for Science offers an exciting and educational way to combat this enemy and Trace invites all sisters to join in this epic journey. The waters are changing. There is no better time to heed this warning than right now. Nature’s not going to wait until we’re ready. When calamity strikes, it strikes without mercy.
04:14 Tracing the Flow of the Waters
09:05 Surf Sisters on the Move
14:42 Climate Change in Real Pictures
19:09 Climate Change Harms Biodiversity
24:55 The Ocean is Changing
25:44 Contaminants in the Ocean Threatens Life on Land
29:00 Join in the Adventures
Today’s guest is a brilliant woman on a mission. She’s on a mission to raise awareness on climate change. Trace Lane is first and foremost, an academic who’s been traveling the world for her research. That itself is already pretty cool. But Trace has created a platform called, Surf Sisters for Science, that is encouraging surfers from all over the world to witness the evolution of our planet’s climate and waves from a surfer’s perspective. I’ll let Trace do the explaining.
But what I found really interesting in Trace’s story is the impact surfing has had on her life from living in a landlocked city for years. She discovered surfing only a few years ago, and is now dedicating her whole life to the cause. It definitely resonates in the reason I started this podcast too.
I hope you enjoy this episode.
Take care, have fun, and enjoy the waves.
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David Walden is a native Californian who lives a noble life as a green surfer and a passionate writer. And perhaps more noble than being an advocate for the environment, is living what he preaches on his everyday life.
This week, I got to meet up with Shell Cleave in Half Moon Bay, California. I had a lovely conversation with Shell about the NGO she founded a year ago, called Sea Hugger.
In this conversation, we discuss the reasons that lead Shell to leave working as a freelance Technical Writer for Silicon Valley giants, and to start a non profit from scratch. Shell has an amazing personality and it’s incredible how much she and her fellow volunteers have achieved in such little time.
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Now, about my guest… Today’s guest is a brilliant woman on a mission : a mission to raise awareness on climate change. Trace Lane, is first and foremost an academic who’s been travelling the world for her research. That in itself is already pretty cool, but Trace has created a platform, called Surf Sisters for Science that encouraging surfers from all over the world to witness the evolution of our planet’s climate and waves from a surfer’s perspective. I’ll let Trace do the explaining. What I find really interesting in Trace’s story is the impact surfing has had on her life : from living in landlocked cities for years, she discovered surfing only a few years ago and is now dedicating her life to the cause. It definitely resonates in the reason I started this podcast too.
So, without further ado, please welcome Trace Lane..
Hello Trace and welcome to The Oceanriders Podcast. How are you today?
Trace Lane: Thank you. I’m great. So glad to be here. Thanks for having me.
Imi Barneaud: You’re welcome. I guess before we start, do you think you could introduce yourself to the listeners?
Trace Lane: Sure. My name is Trace Lane. I’m the founder and director of Surf Sisters for Science.
Imi Barneaud: Excellent. And I guess what we could sort of start maybe with your background, and where you grew up.
Trace Lane: Sure. I was born in Alabama. So I grew up in the South, and let’s see, I’ve lived a lot of places since then, so I kind of have a lot of different places that I call home. Chicago is a home to me. Peru has become a home to me, and I’m currently living in North Carolina.
Imi Barneaud: Excellent, excellent. So at what point did you find your true calling for the ocean protection and climate change, being an advocate for that?
Trace Lane: Well, I’d been moving in that direction for a long time through my studies in Chicago, and then at the University of Washington as well. And I guess I would say, I like to call it my relationship with water began as a grad student at Chicago. It was kind of a fluke actually. So I was supposed to go to Nepal to study something to do. Well, long story short, I did study a particular facet of their constitution and it ended up not being a safe expedition, so I had to find somewhere else to go. And I got a phone call, and the call was from a researcher who was working on water access in Urban Mumbai. And he wanted me to come and help him do the social part of that. So my job would be looking at the political ramifications, human rights law, and then also connecting those laws and things written on paper to what the actual situation was on the ground. So the offer kind of scared me a little bit. Yeah, well, it intimidated me, you know, so I knew that meant I had to do it. So that’s where it started, and it really just grew from there. And I think, I guess I would say like the final pivot to my current direction came in Peru, that was researching the relationship between water and people who consider water a sacred place, a sacred being, things of that nature. And yeah, I just, I really was given a lot of help and information from people who lived there, and started to understand that I couldn’t really talk about water realistically unless I also talked about contamination and climate change. So that was really the shift, and here we are.
Imi Barneaud: Wow, wow. So you really have a very academic background. What exactly did you study to actually sort of come a few years later with this amazing project?
Trace Lane: So my bachelor’s degree is in Psychology. My first master’s is in Political Science and Public Policy. My second master’s is in International Social Welfare and Human Rights. Now, I’m working on my doctorate, and I’m studying Integrated Coastal Sciences. So essentially, I’ve looked at the different system levels that impact and prescript the way that people have access to different kinds of rights. And my particular interest is water. So yeah, now I’m looking at the human dimensions of climate change and focusing on water in particular.
Imi Barneaud: Wow. And so, what do you think ignited the Surf Sisters for Science project?
Trace Lane: Well, it actually began as a conversation. So I was living in Peru. I lived in the jungle first to study water there, then the Highlands, and then the coast. And what I was looking for was a deeper understanding of water really, and the identity of water. So I was in a conversation, and what started coming up in that conversation was the fact that surfers, well, they’re kind of like the canaries in the coal mine, right? Because you know, to surf, you have to watch the ocean, you have to know the ocean, you have to know every little shift, every little nude. And so, because of that, I was able to have a conversation with the surfer who was a longtime surfer and knew every little change of the ocean that went really far beyond some of the conversations that I’ve had with scientists, frankly. So that’s how it started. It started as one article, you know, because it was like, Hey, we should write about this, you know? And then as the story started coming in, it became clear that it was bigger than one article. And actually it needed this story. These stories needed a house built around them. So that’s where the organization came from.
Imi Barneaud: Wow. That’s amazing. So do you think you could kind of summarize what Surf Sisters for Science is all about?
Trace Lane: Sure. So, Surf Sisters for Science, our goal is to combine adventure with environmental service. And we do that through four programs, which we call our environmental service labs. The first one is a citizen science Data Lab. Second one is citizen journalism, the Story Lab. The third one is the Clean Lab that deals with microplastics, plastics, things of that nature. And then the fourth one is a knowledge exchange. And it’s not an education program necessarily, but it’s a knowledge exchange, a dialogue between different epistemologies about climate change.
Imi Barneaud: Wow. Do you think you could dig into all four different labs just to sort of give us an example?
Trace Lane: Yeah, yeah, happy to. So the Story Lab is kind of where it all started, because it started with the one article. So essentially, this is a series of interviews with longtime surfers about what they’ve seen changing in the places that they surf. And that can mean whatever it means to them, right? Can mean changes in the ocean, changes in marine life, changes in any economy that’s based around surfing, things like that. And what has started to happen is that we are, what is being built by these stories is basically an oral history of the waves in these different places, and an oral history of the changes. So, Surf Sisters for Science, the way that that would work, the way that it works, is a group comes with us to a beautiful place. We go surfing, we go hiking, we go adventuring, and then we also do these interviews. It’s always a MIX of the adventure, enjoying the place, but then also working towards protecting it. So another example, for the Data Lab, that’s the citizen science piece. One of our favorite partners that we work with is SmartFin. So yes, there’s a SUPER FUN way to do citizen science because this is actually a fin that goes on your surfboard obviously, but the thing collects data while you surf. So it’s a really fun action oriented kind of citizen science.
Imi Barneaud: Brilliant. So what’s your ties with SmartFin, and do you provide them, or you kind of go between person, how does that work?
Trace Lane: Sure. So they’re one of our partners. And what that means is that when groups come on trips with us on our adventures, then they get to use the SmartFins. We have found that, you know, we keep and let people use, but SmartFin is, you know, they’re their own thing, they’re their own organization so you can use them outside of our programming, you know, anyone could use them. In fact, I recommend that everybody uses them. You don’t have to use it, you don’t have to go through us to do that. But yeah, they’re one of our partners, and we enjoy collaborating on things. And we figured out, I guess maybe a year ago now, that we have the same goals. So we always say we’re paddling in the same direction.
Imi Barneaud: Excellent. And so, who do you collaborate with on this project?
Trace Lane: So we have a pretty strong list of partners because I’m a big believer in working with folks and not trying to have expertise in every little piece of every little thing. But you know, figuring out what it is you bring to the table, and then for the other pieces, looking for people who are doing really well, right? So SmartFin, for example, they have this awesome piece of technology, we provide sort of like the organizing around that technology and facilitate the use of it. Another example is [inaudible]. So in that example, she sort of like one of our adventure partners because we’ll be bringing a group to her surf school, and she’s going to lead the surf lesson, surf coaching, that kind of stuff, and we’ll bring the environmental service part.
Imi Barneaud: Excellent. Excellent. So which countries are you targeting? Like, it could be a global project, but do you have to target to be kind of not sort of rumble, you know, not sort of dilute, are there specific areas?
Trace Lane: Yes there are. Because every lab is part of an adventure, right? Like it’s, every trip is two things. It’s the adventure and the environmental service. It’s really sort of helped us figure out like, okay, these are the specific places we’re going to be. Because it’s like planning a trip, right? So, we’ll be in Peru, and that will be a one trip for the coast, and then one trip for the jungle. We’ll be in Baja, really looking forward to that. One of our partners, Groundswell. So, let’s see what else? Costa Rica.
Imi Barneaud: With Tarantula Surf?
Trace Lane: That’s right. United States, Outer Banks, which is close to me. So of course, going to do that one. And then in our, let’s see, next holiday season, New Zealand.
Imi Barneaud: Wow. Excellent. Yeah, this is so exciting. How you’ve actually built the dream job where you get to travel the world, you get to surf, you get to do what you’re passionate about. I mean, this is just a perfect sort of set up. And so, once you’ve collected the information and you’ve created these data labs and everything, how do you intend to influence leaders towards changing things?
Trace Lane: Sure. So this is actually a big part of the motivation for creating Surf Sisters for Science. So yeah, I found myself really bothered by some of the gaps, and the stories that were happening in areas of climate impact, and what was being reported. So part of the whole point is to report these stories through citizen journalism. And I guess, I would say give a platform to these experiences. You know, even though it began as an article that I was going to write, it seemed most appropriate to just remove myself from the story as much as possible and just make it instead of an article that, you know, maybe some people would read, I believe people would read it. But even better than that is a video where people can see it, I’m not in a way at all of this story. So what we’ll be doing on the Surf Sisters for Science website is hosting these video blogs, and that will be one way of hopefully raising awareness of these stories and these experiences of climate change. So for me, that is a way of fighting misinformation because it’s not me giving my opinion. It’s not me saying, Hey, here’s what I think should happen. Here’s what I know to be true as a climate scientist. But instead of just saying like, look, here is this person’s real life according to them, you know, do it that what you will. But I think that right now, when we’re seeing so many people in positions of world leadership who are denying climate change in, you know, that seemed to be working in a very opposite direction. This is sort of our challenge to that.
Imi Barneaud: Yeah. So how many videos have you collected so far? How many interviews?
Trace Lane: So far, we’ve got 18.
Imi Barneaud: Wow.
Trace Lane: And what we’ll be doing, and this is just sort of to launch the site until our trips began, what we’ll be doing is releasing two or three of those stories per month on our website. And then, as we go on our trip, that’ll be a whole little like a series dedicated to each place.
Imi Barneaud: Okay. Excellent. And so, you’re saying that this is a platform, but is there a kind of political or kind of something that you want to raise awareness to world leaders, or national leaders, or things like that? Is there a kind of higher outcome to get your voice heard and the voice of the people who are joining you on that platform?
Trace Lane: Definitely. Well, I would say the first goal is to demonstrate that climate change is real. While yes, it is true, the climate is always changing, right? You know, mountains are still growing. So the climate is changing, and there are a million different reasons and interconnections between, you know, natural processes in the world that lead to a changing climate. But the part that we’re focused on are the human impacts and the way that our actions are driving climate change. So number one, the goal is to validate like, Hey, this is real. Just because you’re not feeling it in your, you know, very safe life doesn’t mean that many, many people around the world aren’t feeling it because they are. It’s very real. It’s very, very real. So the second piece of that deals more with the citizen science data collection piece. So as a researcher, I’ve seen firsthand how that funding system works. And I know that it can be very difficult in the best of circumstances to get funding for your research, but when there is a political shift in opposition to the information that you’re producing, it becomes really, really hard. And so, this is another kind of push back against that, that silencing to say, Hey, here’s open source data. You can’t stop us from knowing this truth. So it becomes a really, in my opinion, a really smart way to resist that comes a smart way to organize, and it’s nonviolent, which is really important to me, so yeah.
Imi Barneaud: That’s really interesting. And then have you sort of most of your assumptions about climate change, and about contamination, and all this actually proved to be true with the different people you’ve interviewed so far?
Trace Lane: Yes, but there have been one or two cases where I was surprised by the personal impact, that these changes were not having on people.
Imi Barneaud: Like what?
Trace Lane: Well, so these are the things I think about in the morning. These are the things I think about when I’m going to sleep. These are the things that make me excited, and it pissed me off, and it makes me, you know, there’s a whole range, you know, so sometimes when other people are not as motivated by these things, it takes me a bit by surprise. So like if someone is seeing, you know, contamination in their surf break but they don’t really mind it so much. I don’t get that, you know, it’s not about like me trying to rescript anyone’s experience so I just have to let it be, you know?
Imi Barneaud: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But it’s interesting to know if the actual assumptions that you have about climate change in contamination of water is actually proving to be a reality for most of the interviewees.
Trace Lane: Yes, definitely. People are seeing the changes. They definitely are. What I hear again, and again, and again without even asking for this one is the reduction and shifts in Marine species.
Imi Barneaud: Really?
Trace Lane: Yeah. So people are seeing these ecosystems that, you know, they kind of grew up with them. So you know the very intimately, they’re being completely, either rerouted to different places or just disappearing over time, and that’s because of a range of factors. But yes, that’s a big change. Sea level rise is a big change, and contamination is a big change. Yeah.
Imi Barneaud: Okay, that’s really interesting. And how could we actually sort of join or help Surf Sisters for Science?
Trace Lane: Well, I’m really glad you asked. Well, number one, if you want to go on an adventure with us, our website will be live, the itineraries will be posted very soon so you can sign up and you can actually come with us and we’ll have a lot of fun, but we’ll also work in these environmental service labs. But if you can’t get away and you want to contribute, for example the Story Lab, what you can do is contact me through the website and share your climate story. There’s an option for that, they are built into the site. So what this would mean is that you and I would do an interview just like through Skype or whatever works for you. And you can become a part of the Story Lab. Actually, that’s a big hope that I have for the Story Lab is that it becomes a global community of sharing these experiences, and especially considering the carbon footprint of actually traveling to these places. It’s great if we can do this virtually. I mean don’t get me wrong, I would love to go everywhere, but everywhere doesn’t need me to go to it.
Imi Barneaud: Exactly. That’s really interesting. And is there a GoFundMe page as well? Is there something that we can sort of contribute in terms of donations?
Trace Lane: You know, we started with the GoFundMe page, and now we’ve evolved because we’re getting, we’re 501C3 Status, there will be a nice lovely donate button on our website.
Imi Barneaud: Excellent. Fantastic.
Trace Lane: So, yes, donations are much appreciated, and we have a really transparent system for that as well. So you can see exactly where your money is going. If you want to donate to a specific lab, you can do that.
Imi Barneaud: Okay, fantastic. Fantastic. Okay, well, so it be on the website which will be online soon.
Trace Lane: Yes.
Imi Barneaud: So, probably January, some time, or maybe even before. We’ll leave the links to it in the show notes. And I guess to sort of support your Story Lab department, I was wondering if we could do the same interview that you give to your interviewees, if we could do the same thing.
Trace Lane: Of course.
Imi Barneaud: So, name?
Trace Lane: My name is Trace Lane.
Imi Barneaud: Occupation?
Trace Lane: I am a PhD student, I’m a graduate Research Assistant. I work on analyzing literature about climate change from a feminist perspective.
Imi Barneaud: Okay. And the number of your surfing?
Trace Lane: Three and a half. I’m a newbie. Well, I guess it’s four now, but really, really new.
Imi Barneaud: And how did you learn to surf?
Trace Lane: So, I was in Mexico, and it was just sort of a fluke vacation, and I had the opportunity to take a surf lesson, and it was a situation where I’d never been the board before. The first wave that came my way, it was like meeting an old friend, and I hopped up, and it was just amazing, and I was hooked, and I had always known that it was something that was a part of my life, but I just hadn’t really lived it yet. So since then, I knew that I had to make decisions based around surfing.
Imi Barneaud: Right. All right, excellent. And so, what does surfing actually mean to you?
Trace Lane: For me, surfing, it’s a way to be very, very present in the moment. It’s not like anything else, you know, it’s not always easy. But because of that you learn, you learn about the ocean, you learn about yourself, you know, you learn about all of it. And I think the biggest thing for me, being a person that had been studying water for many years by that point, surfing provided sort of the missing link in my relationship with water, getting thrown about it is quite different than reading about it.
Imi Barneaud: That’s fantastic. So, in terms of changing oceans, in your opinion, are the oceans changing?
Trace Lane: Yes. Yes they are, in my opinion.
Imi Barneaud: How are they changing?
Trace Lane: Well, in many different ways, you can look at this question in terms of impacts of climate change. So that would be rising sea levels, changing ocean floors, changing Marine life, but then there’s an overlap between what we can call impacts of climate change and contamination, and the crazy thing is that these two factors start to work together. So yeah, the water is, the oceans are acidifying, they’re becoming warmer, sea levels are rising, and Marine life is changing drastically. So this has tons of impacts, right? And it impacts us on land. You don’t have to be near or in the ocean to see these impacts.
Imi Barneaud: Yeah. Yeah. And so, do you see the ocean contamination often when you surf?
Trace Lane: Yes.
Imi Barneaud: What kind of contaminants do you find?
Trace Lane: Well, they’re the things that you can see, right? Like the plastic is the number one, the big one, right? So anytime you go surfing in the places where I’ve lived, where you just see it in the water, you see trash in the water, so there’s that. But then there’s also, there’s the contamination that you can’t see, and that’s a big problem as well. So what I mean by that is like storm runoff in certain areas picks up pollutants, picks up sediment, picks up all sorts of things that really aren’t supposed to be in the ocean, right? And it carries them into the ocean and pollutes these areas. So like, if you’ve ever gone surfing, especially after rain, where there’s been lots of runoff into the ocean and you get a little sick, that’s why.
Imi Barneaud: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And so, have you ever been sick after being contaminated from surfing?
Trace Lane: Oh, yeah, definitely. Definitely. The first time it happened, I thought that I was getting the flu.
Imi Barneaud: Really?
Trace Lane: Yeah. And then I realized like, Oh no, this is it, this is the thing, this is what it feels like.
Imi Barneaud: And so, in terms of changing economy, has your professional life being impacted by the changes to the surf? To the oceans? Or to weather?
Trace Lane: Yes, it has. It has given me more to work on, and that’s a weird thing to say. But yeah, it’s more clearly defined the urgency underlying the work that I’m pursuing. So that’s a bit of a different perspective than someone who say teaches surf lessons, or you know, runs a shop in a surf town, or something like that.
Imi Barneaud: Yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, the last question is how are the changes to your work actually impacting your life?
Trace Lane: Oh, well this is very interesting. I’ve lived a bunch of places that I never expected to live, I guess, and I’ve loved just about all of them. But that is one thing, I would say that’s probably just off the top of my head, the biggest impact is that I move around a lot and travel a lot, which has definite fun parts. But then also the other side of that is that you’re, you know, you miss a lot of people miss a lot of places, but that’s okay if you just have to learn to carry them with you, right?
Imi Barneaud: Yeah, exactly. And that’s great with Skype and all sorts of online apps that you can keep in touch with them much better than 20 years ago.
Trace Lane: Definitely, thank goodness.
Imi Barneaud: Yeah. So, I guess before we get to the end of this interview, which has been a really fascinating conversation, and I definitely recommend our listeners to have a look at your website and maybe connect to your Facebook page. I just had a four sentences that I’d like you to finish. Is that okay for you?
Trace Lane: Of course.
Imi Barneaud: Okay, so the first one is I LOVE.
Trace Lane: Okay. The first thing that came to my mind was mangoes.
Imi Barneaud: Beautiful. I MISS.
Trace Lane: Surfing every day.
Imi Barneaud: I WISH.
Trace Lane: I wish I lived closer to the ocean. I live about two hours away.
Imi Barneaud: Right. Okay. And I WANT.
Trace Lane: I want everyone to come with surf sisters on our adventures.
Imi Barneaud: So, when’s the next adventure will be planned for?
Trace Lane: Starting in June. Well, actually starting May and June.
Imi Barneaud: May, June 2020?
Trace Lane: Yes. We’ll have a summer session and then we’re already planning for December and January 21.
Imi Barneaud: Excellent. Excellent. And before we part, I just wondered if you had any sort of books that you’ve read that are kind of changed your perspective on life and climate change, and something that you’d encourage listeners to read just to get a kind of perspective, your perspective.
Trace Lane: Sure. So the first scholar that comes to mind is Vandana Shiva because I work from a feminist perspective, Vandana Shiva has been very, very important when I first started having the wherewithal to do like a really self critical look at, you know, the Western Academy at the United States for our policies, and I was kind of saying what’s wrong with us? Yeah. Vandana Shiva, she guided me through that in a way and she still is doing that. So yeah, I would say, yeah.
Imi Barneaud: Okay. Okay. I’ll put them in the show notes too. Trace, this is a really, really interesting conversation, and I just wanted to know how you feel.
Trace Lane: I feel good. I feel ready to, you know, go out and do the work.
Imi Barneaud: Well, that’s brilliant. Thank you ever so much for being my guest today, Trace, and good luck with the next retreats, and we’ll definitely have some posts on Instagram, and on the Facebook page, and everything once everything’s live, we’ll share the info.
Trace Lane: Great. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.
Imi Barneaud: You’re welcome. See you soon, Trace. Bye bye.
Trace Lane: All right, bye.
Imi Barneaud: I loved that conversation, I hope you did too. Trace is organizing Surf Sister for Science trips all over the globe. You can join in by connecting to her brand new website surfsistersforscience.org, or her facebook page Surf Sisters for Science. Joining one of her trips means that you get to surf, volunteer for an awesome cause, go on an adventure and learn something new. So definitely head over to her website and sign up for the next awesome destination. Also, you can contribute to the Story Lab and feature on one of her videos. In the episode we also talk about what she’s doing in Costa Rica with Tarantula surf, well, if you want to learn more about Tarantula Surf, you can also listen to my conversation with Tara Ruttenberg, who is the founder.
I also love the way surfing has become a means for academic research and is busting the beach bum myth.
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